http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#35261f94-8da7-497e-b4af-c247bb55fcab nice. thanks guys! Sat, 24 Dec 2005 09:04:47 GMT http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#35261f94-8da7-497e-b4af-c247bb55fcab robin 2005-12-24T09:04:47Z http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#0a9555ee-5145-4b74-a99f-2974cddc7bcd ok, now we're really serious. you should be able to spider FOAF files on tribe and not encounter any encoding error cruft. Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:37:33 GMT http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#0a9555ee-5145-4b74-a99f-2974cddc7bcd chris 2005-12-22T18:37:33Z http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#baf8fe1e-534e-4dfb-bdba-3521a0241a3d The = is actually OK, this is a cascading error from an unescape prior ampersand. It's an artifact of the fact that one of our user entered fields wasn't being scrubbed. I'm not sure when this will go out, but it should be this week (i.e. before friday) Sorry for the inconvenience. BTW: when do we get to see and/or hear the gory details on your FOAF-a-licious app? Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:27:50 GMT http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#baf8fe1e-534e-4dfb-bdba-3521a0241a3d chris 2005-12-21T17:27:50Z http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#a7e081ae-4b79-4432-bd8d-83d1abfbc93e It appears as tho now it is the "=" which is causing problems. better because it seems to affect less. but still bothersome. can you escape the "=" as well please? Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:36:36 GMT http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#a7e081ae-4b79-4432-bd8d-83d1abfbc93e robin 2005-12-21T09:36:36Z http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#21fd750f-83cf-40ab-9ad5-5198f0bc095a i am the webmaster for a smaller community website of about 1000 people. most my users have all got tribe.net accounts now which our site has probably done a good job promoting. the main thing i am doing with FOAF now is using it to populate user's buddylists and profiles. at least with their interests. recently i added galleries to the site and will use foaf to grab my users main gallery image off tribe as well to let my users have the ability to sync their avatars with their tribe.net anyway i think all of this is really cool and i'm very grateful to tribe.net for being one of the pioneers of this new spec. now if only we can get them all working.. Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:23:37 GMT http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#21fd750f-83cf-40ab-9ad5-5198f0bc095a robin 2005-12-20T22:23:37Z http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#3ac4d074-98fb-4375-859e-4254a5bf0a17 here's one... http://www.tribe.net/FOAF/0868aa34-5093-49a3-b8df-a72bf1f15029 Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:18:09 GMT http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#3ac4d074-98fb-4375-859e-4254a5bf0a17 robin 2005-12-20T22:18:09Z http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#0d70e12a-dc76-4a83-b795-e25b66514b98 As Brian says below, this is in and user FOAF xml should be properly scrubbed. Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:32:57 GMT http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#0d70e12a-dc76-4a83-b795-e25b66514b98 chris 2005-12-20T17:32:57Z http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#87ac75b0-4365-42de-a88f-04e55082cd2b Looks like Chris' fix is in and the &'s are being &'ed. Please verify at your earliest convenience and let us know of other problems. Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:14:29 GMT http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#87ac75b0-4365-42de-a88f-04e55082cd2b Brian 2005-12-20T15:14:29Z http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#eedd39c2-7c56-4049-a7db-f4ca2a5fb343 Hi Robin, just because I'm curious, what application do you have in mind for the Tribe FOAF's? Anything fun, cool, and exciting? :-) Thanks, Steve. Who appreciates your tenacity and eagerness! Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:28:34 GMT http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#eedd39c2-7c56-4049-a7db-f4ca2a5fb343 Steve 2005-12-20T07:28:34Z http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#78ed86f5-1942-446c-a68b-1631ba1b13f8 sooo.. how's it looking? Tue, 20 Dec 2005 02:10:22 GMT http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#78ed86f5-1942-446c-a68b-1631ba1b13f8 robin 2005-12-20T02:10:22Z http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#3364a765-a7cf-4c37-9f62-fd7bf7fae2a8 and i can assume they will be fixed in that release? oh what a merry christmas that will be. :-) Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:46:14 GMT http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#3364a765-a7cf-4c37-9f62-fd7bf7fae2a8 robin 2005-12-10T23:46:14Z http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#ae5e57f2-d072-4345-a0d2-fa11416ef0a5 The next release should be on, or around, dec 20th. Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:38:38 GMT http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#ae5e57f2-d072-4345-a0d2-fa11416ef0a5 chris 2005-12-08T20:38:38Z http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#4f8fbafd-93c7-4b65-ba1b-47ea66402908 any ETA at all? Wed, 07 Dec 2005 23:50:34 GMT http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#4f8fbafd-93c7-4b65-ba1b-47ea66402908 robin 2005-12-07T23:50:34Z http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#c868e9e1-0e81-477a-bedb-c72c3a5a2b14 is it faster to "scrub" it on the way out in the meantime while you are waiting to fix it on the way in? I'd really like to work with these FOAF files and this problem is a real obstacle for me. Sun, 04 Dec 2005 08:58:08 GMT http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#c868e9e1-0e81-477a-bedb-c72c3a5a2b14 robin 2005-12-04T08:58:08Z http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#1ca8bc58-7348-4795-88ca-fb784270fede Be careful not to double encode. The question is what you're going to store. It's a bad idea to store & as & although it is worth converting smart quotes to plain quotes on the way in. It's all a lot easier if you just escape the strings on the way out as part of the FOAF generation code. In the same way as you would generating RSS. Surely it's an XML problem not an XHTML problem? FOAF (like RSS) is XML not XHTML. roughly. grin! Damn this problem annoys me. It's caused unbelievable amounts of noise, programmer heartache and violent arguments over the years and among other things was a major factor that pushed the use of CDATA in RSS and probably pushed the creation of Atom as a format. It's also the number one reason for broken XML. Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:19:38 GMT http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#1ca8bc58-7348-4795-88ca-fb784270fede Julian 2005-11-24T09:19:38Z http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#7b06c0fe-5892-4650-9398-e51981d4b3de Ok. I would say BOTH might be a good idea. As I first posted about this problem on August 25th above I thought it might have been fixed already. wow.. that's almost 3 months already. Any idea how long it might be from now? i've been waiting very patiently... :-) Thu, 24 Nov 2005 05:30:04 GMT http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#7b06c0fe-5892-4650-9398-e51981d4b3de robin 2005-11-24T05:30:04Z http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#e5d3c5bc-ec73-4037-b559-dccd23e8305e Yes indeed. I'm checking this out (not that it's not broken, it is) but rather how we're going to fix it. We have seem to have an XHTML problem with this so a fix might be better done by scrubbing on the way in rather than on the way out. Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:37:23 GMT http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#e5d3c5bc-ec73-4037-b559-dccd23e8305e chris 2005-11-23T23:37:23Z http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#5db9f34f-25cb-41e5-9efd-04a11cd85945 Does anyone who works for tribe.net read this forum? Wed, 23 Nov 2005 20:35:50 GMT http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#5db9f34f-25cb-41e5-9efd-04a11cd85945 robin 2005-11-23T20:35:50Z http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#66e115ee-6cfd-447f-a57c-a24831e039d6 can sombebody who works at tribe.net please escape all special character in the User Interests field in the FOAF generation please? please? Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:29:57 GMT http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#66e115ee-6cfd-447f-a57c-a24831e039d6 robin 2005-11-23T01:29:57Z http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#fb30e224-134a-4ac0-8bbf-76ccfffa19a1 OK. Who exactly was it that made the & a reserved character in XML? Because I want to beat them round the head with a baseball bat. I feel sure that the CGI standard for URLs came before XML so using the CGI delimiter as a reserved character seems particularly designed to annoy programmers for years to come. And unbelievably stupid! As an aside I'd like to give exactly the same treatment to the guy at Microsoft who used the backslash as a directory delimiter. What were you thinking? Forwardslash worked fine in Unix and backslash had been an escape character for a decade before. This happened very early in Microsoft's history so it must have been somebody who was/is high up in the organisation. Any road up. unescaped ampersands are the bane of XML. Especially when it's in user generated data. Closely followed by bad high order characters helpfully generated by Microsoft products when you do cut ad paste. I don't want "smart" quotes! Just give me a plain old quote. Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:48:02 GMT http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#fb30e224-134a-4ac0-8bbf-76ccfffa19a1 Julian 2005-11-22T08:48:02Z http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#bd2bcb51-bdde-465f-bf87-b0ecfc45bfae Can someone please tell me why this is still a problem? http://www.tribe.net/FOAF/0868aa34-5093-49a3-b8df-a72bf1f15029 http://www.tribe.net/FOAF/f3f648b9-4aa4-4b5e-94c9-5ad6e1c8414c kind of breaks the whole network as soon as you hit one of these.. really annoying Mon, 21 Nov 2005 20:40:57 GMT http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#bd2bcb51-bdde-465f-bf87-b0ecfc45bfae robin 2005-11-21T20:40:57Z http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#98911b94-f44f-4886-b43e-5b90e2d01df1 Another problem though. Many FOAFs are still broken like this one: http://www.tribe.net/FOAF/f3f648b9-4aa4-4b5e-94c9-5ad6e1c8414c apparently it doesn't escape the ampersands. Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:22:37 GMT http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#98911b94-f44f-4886-b43e-5b90e2d01df1 robin 2005-08-25T08:22:37Z http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#f26cdbd2-6d4e-4f91-9801-ddb66fa899f3 tis now. Thu, 25 Aug 2005 06:09:03 GMT http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#f26cdbd2-6d4e-4f91-9801-ddb66fa899f3 robin 2005-08-25T06:09:03Z http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#9a7bd0cb-9dec-49ad-b26c-cbf91fd2774e a small problem that got missed in QA for our recent site update, should be fixed Thu, 25 Aug 2005 05:11:31 GMT http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#9a7bd0cb-9dec-49ad-b26c-cbf91fd2774e chris 2005-08-25T05:11:31Z http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#af7e96b3-2730-4b46-9011-8e4c5540d1d3 Anyone else notice how all the FOAF files on tribe seem to be broken now? what's up? Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:54:35 GMT http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#af7e96b3-2730-4b46-9011-8e4c5540d1d3 robin 2005-08-24T20:54:35Z