Tribe.net. Local Connections robin http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#35261f94-8da7-497e-b4af-c247bb55fcab 2005-12-24T09:04:47Z 2005-12-24T09:04:47Z

nice. thanks guys!

robin 2005-12-24T09:04:47Z chris http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#0a9555ee-5145-4b74-a99f-2974cddc7bcd 2005-12-22T18:37:33Z 2005-12-22T18:37:33Z

ok, now we're really serious. you should be able to spider FOAF files on tribe and not encounter any encoding error cruft.

chris 2005-12-22T18:37:33Z chris http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#baf8fe1e-534e-4dfb-bdba-3521a0241a3d 2005-12-21T17:27:50Z 2005-12-21T17:27:50Z

The = is actually OK, this is a cascading error from an unescape prior ampersand. It's an artifact of the fact that one of our user entered fields wasn't being scrubbed. I'm not sure when this will go out, but it should be this week (i.e. before friday) Sorry for the inconvenience. BTW: when do we get to see and/or hear the gory details on your FOAF-a-licious app?

chris 2005-12-21T17:27:50Z robin http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#a7e081ae-4b79-4432-bd8d-83d1abfbc93e 2005-12-21T09:36:36Z 2005-12-21T09:36:36Z

It appears as tho now it is the "=" which is causing problems. better because it seems to affect less. but still bothersome. can you escape the "=" as well please?

robin 2005-12-21T09:36:36Z robin http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#21fd750f-83cf-40ab-9ad5-5198f0bc095a 2005-12-20T22:23:37Z 2005-12-20T22:23:37Z

i am the webmaster for a smaller community website of about 1000 people. most my users have all got tribe.net accounts now which our site has probably done a good job promoting. the main thing i am doing with FOAF now is using it to populate user's buddylists and profiles. at least with their interests. recently i added galleries to the site and will use foaf to grab my users main gallery image off tribe as well to let my users have the ability to sync their avatars with their tribe.net anyway i think all of this is really cool and i'm very grateful to tribe.net for being one of the pioneers of this new spec. now if only we can get them all working..

robin 2005-12-20T22:23:37Z robin http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#3ac4d074-98fb-4375-859e-4254a5bf0a17 2005-12-20T22:18:09Z 2005-12-20T22:18:09Z

here's one... http://www.tribe.net/FOAF/0868aa34-5093-49a3-b8df-a72bf1f15029

robin 2005-12-20T22:18:09Z chris http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#0d70e12a-dc76-4a83-b795-e25b66514b98 2005-12-20T17:32:57Z 2005-12-20T17:32:57Z

As Brian says below, this is in and user FOAF xml should be properly scrubbed.

chris 2005-12-20T17:32:57Z Brian http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#87ac75b0-4365-42de-a88f-04e55082cd2b 2005-12-20T15:14:29Z 2005-12-20T15:14:29Z

Looks like Chris' fix is in and the &'s are being &'ed. Please verify at your earliest convenience and let us know of other problems.

Brian 2005-12-20T15:14:29Z Steve http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#eedd39c2-7c56-4049-a7db-f4ca2a5fb343 2005-12-20T07:28:34Z 2005-12-20T07:28:34Z

Hi Robin, just because I'm curious, what application do you have in mind for the Tribe FOAF's? Anything fun, cool, and exciting? :-) Thanks, Steve. Who appreciates your tenacity and eagerness!

Steve 2005-12-20T07:28:34Z robin http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#78ed86f5-1942-446c-a68b-1631ba1b13f8 2005-12-20T02:10:22Z 2005-12-20T02:10:22Z

sooo.. how's it looking?

robin 2005-12-20T02:10:22Z robin http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#3364a765-a7cf-4c37-9f62-fd7bf7fae2a8 2005-12-10T23:46:14Z 2005-12-10T23:46:14Z

and i can assume they will be fixed in that release? oh what a merry christmas that will be. :-)

robin 2005-12-10T23:46:14Z chris http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#ae5e57f2-d072-4345-a0d2-fa11416ef0a5 2005-12-08T20:38:38Z 2005-12-08T20:38:38Z

The next release should be on, or around, dec 20th.

chris 2005-12-08T20:38:38Z robin http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#4f8fbafd-93c7-4b65-ba1b-47ea66402908 2005-12-07T23:50:34Z 2005-12-07T23:50:34Z

any ETA at all?

robin 2005-12-07T23:50:34Z robin http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#c868e9e1-0e81-477a-bedb-c72c3a5a2b14 2005-12-04T08:58:08Z 2005-12-04T08:58:08Z

is it faster to "scrub" it on the way out in the meantime while you are waiting to fix it on the way in? I'd really like to work with these FOAF files and this problem is a real obstacle for me.

robin 2005-12-04T08:58:08Z Julian http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#1ca8bc58-7348-4795-88ca-fb784270fede 2005-11-24T09:19:38Z 2005-11-24T09:19:38Z

Be careful not to double encode. The question is what you're going to store. It's a bad idea to store & as & although it is worth converting smart quotes to plain quotes on the way in. It's all a lot easier if you just escape the strings on the way out as part of the FOAF generation code. In the same way as you would generating RSS. Surely it's an XML problem not an XHTML problem? FOAF (like RSS) is XML not XHTML. roughly. grin! Damn this problem annoys me. It's caused unbelievable amounts of noise, programmer heartache and violent arguments over the years and among other things was a major factor that pushed the use of CDATA in RSS and probably pushed the creation of Atom as a format. It's also the number one reason for broken XML.

Julian 2005-11-24T09:19:38Z robin http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#7b06c0fe-5892-4650-9398-e51981d4b3de 2005-11-24T05:30:04Z 2005-11-24T05:30:04Z

Ok. I would say BOTH might be a good idea. As I first posted about this problem on August 25th above I thought it might have been fixed already. wow.. that's almost 3 months already. Any idea how long it might be from now? i've been waiting very patiently... :-)

robin 2005-11-24T05:30:04Z chris http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#e5d3c5bc-ec73-4037-b559-dccd23e8305e 2005-11-23T23:37:23Z 2005-11-23T23:37:23Z

Yes indeed. I'm checking this out (not that it's not broken, it is) but rather how we're going to fix it. We have seem to have an XHTML problem with this so a fix might be better done by scrubbing on the way in rather than on the way out.

chris 2005-11-23T23:37:23Z robin http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#5db9f34f-25cb-41e5-9efd-04a11cd85945 2005-11-23T20:35:50Z 2005-11-23T20:35:50Z

Does anyone who works for tribe.net read this forum?

robin 2005-11-23T20:35:50Z robin http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#66e115ee-6cfd-447f-a57c-a24831e039d6 2005-11-23T01:29:57Z 2005-11-23T01:29:57Z

can sombebody who works at tribe.net please escape all special character in the User Interests field in the FOAF generation please? please?

robin 2005-11-23T01:29:57Z Julian http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#fb30e224-134a-4ac0-8bbf-76ccfffa19a1 2005-11-22T08:48:02Z 2005-11-22T08:48:02Z

OK. Who exactly was it that made the & a reserved character in XML? Because I want to beat them round the head with a baseball bat. I feel sure that the CGI standard for URLs came before XML so using the CGI delimiter as a reserved character seems particularly designed to annoy programmers for years to come. And unbelievably stupid! As an aside I'd like to give exactly the same treatment to the guy at Microsoft who used the backslash as a directory delimiter. What were you thinking? Forwardslash worked fine in Unix and backslash had been an escape character for a decade before. This happened very early in Microsoft's history so it must have been somebody who was/is high up in the organisation. Any road up. unescaped ampersands are the bane of XML. Especially when it's in user generated data. Closely followed by bad high order characters helpfully generated by Microsoft products when you do cut ad paste. I don't want "smart" quotes! Just give me a plain old quote.

Julian 2005-11-22T08:48:02Z robin http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#bd2bcb51-bdde-465f-bf87-b0ecfc45bfae 2005-11-21T20:40:57Z 2005-11-21T20:40:57Z

Can someone please tell me why this is still a problem? http://www.tribe.net/FOAF/0868aa34-5093-49a3-b8df-a72bf1f15029 http://www.tribe.net/FOAF/f3f648b9-4aa4-4b5e-94c9-5ad6e1c8414c kind of breaks the whole network as soon as you hit one of these.. really annoying

robin 2005-11-21T20:40:57Z robin http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#98911b94-f44f-4886-b43e-5b90e2d01df1 2005-08-25T08:22:37Z 2005-08-25T08:22:37Z

Another problem though. Many FOAFs are still broken like this one: http://www.tribe.net/FOAF/f3f648b9-4aa4-4b5e-94c9-5ad6e1c8414c apparently it doesn't escape the ampersands.

robin 2005-08-25T08:22:37Z robin http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#f26cdbd2-6d4e-4f91-9801-ddb66fa899f3 2005-08-25T06:09:03Z 2005-08-25T06:09:03Z

tis now.

robin 2005-08-25T06:09:03Z chris http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#9a7bd0cb-9dec-49ad-b26c-cbf91fd2774e 2005-08-25T05:11:31Z 2005-08-25T05:11:31Z

a small problem that got missed in QA for our recent site update, should be fixed

chris 2005-08-25T05:11:31Z robin http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/5e598ac1-3a83-43db-b5c3-8cea082952d2#af7e96b3-2730-4b46-9011-8e4c5540d1d3 2005-08-24T20:54:35Z 2005-08-24T20:54:35Z

Anyone else notice how all the FOAF files on tribe seem to be broken now? what's up?

robin 2005-08-24T20:54:35Z