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Re: Broken FOAF files on tribe.net
Wed, August 24, 2005 - 10:11 PMa small problem that got missed in QA for our recent site update, should be fixed -
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Re: Broken FOAF files on tribe.net
Thu, August 25, 2005 - 1:22 AM
Another problem though.
Many FOAFs are still broken like this one:
www.tribe.net/FOAF/f3f648...5ad6e1c8414c
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Re: Broken FOAF files on tribe.net
Mon, November 21, 2005 - 12:40 PM
Can someone please tell me why this is still a problem?
www.tribe.net/FOAF/0868aa...a72bf1f15029
www.tribe.net/FOAF/f3f648...5ad6e1c8414c
kind of breaks the whole network as soon as you hit one of these..
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Re: Broken FOAF files on tribe.net
Tue, November 22, 2005 - 12:48 AMOK. Who exactly was it that made the & a reserved character in XML? Because I want to beat them round the head with a baseball bat. I feel sure that the CGI standard for URLs came before XML so using the CGI delimiter as a reserved character seems particularly designed to annoy programmers for years to come. And unbelievably stupid!
As an aside I'd like to give exactly the same treatment to the guy at Microsoft who used the backslash as a directory delimiter. What were you thinking? Forwardslash worked fine in Unix and backslash had been an escape character for a decade before. This happened very early in Microsoft's history so it must have been somebody who was/is high up in the organisation.
Any road up. unescaped ampersands are the bane of XML. Especially when it's in user generated data. Closely followed by bad high order characters helpfully generated by Microsoft products when you do cut ad paste. I don't want "smart" quotes! Just give me a plain old quote. -
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Re: Broken FOAF files on tribe.net
Tue, November 22, 2005 - 5:29 PM
can sombebody who works at tribe.net please escape all special character in the User Interests field in the FOAF generation please?
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Re: Broken FOAF files on tribe.net
Wed, November 23, 2005 - 12:35 PM
Does anyone who works for tribe.net read this forum?
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Re: Broken FOAF files on tribe.net
Wed, November 23, 2005 - 3:37 PMYes indeed. I'm checking this out (not that it's not broken, it is) but rather how we're going to fix it. We have seem to have an XHTML problem with this so a fix might be better done by scrubbing on the way in rather than on the way out. -
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Re: Broken FOAF files on tribe.net
Wed, November 23, 2005 - 9:30 PM
Ok. I would say BOTH might be a good idea.
As I first posted about this problem on August 25th above I thought it might have been fixed already. wow.. that's almost 3 months already.
Any idea how long it might be from now?
i've been waiting very patiently...
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Re: Broken FOAF files on tribe.net
Thu, November 24, 2005 - 1:19 AMBe careful not to double encode. The question is what you're going to store. It's a bad idea to store & as & although it is worth converting smart quotes to plain quotes on the way in. It's all a lot easier if you just escape the strings on the way out as part of the FOAF generation code. In the same way as you would generating RSS.
Surely it's an XML problem not an XHTML problem? FOAF (like RSS) is XML not XHTML. roughly. grin!
Damn this problem annoys me. It's caused unbelievable amounts of noise, programmer heartache and violent arguments over the years and among other things was a major factor that pushed the use of CDATA in RSS and probably pushed the creation of Atom as a format. It's also the number one reason for broken XML.
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Re: Broken FOAF files on tribe.net
Sun, December 4, 2005 - 12:58 AM
is it faster to "scrub" it on the way out in the meantime while you are waiting to fix it on the way in?
I'd really like to work with these FOAF files and this problem is a real obstacle for me. -
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Re: Broken FOAF files on tribe.net
Wed, December 7, 2005 - 3:50 PM
any ETA at all?
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Re: Broken FOAF files on tribe.net
Thu, December 8, 2005 - 12:38 PMThe next release should be on, or around, dec 20th. -
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Re: Broken FOAF files on tribe.net
Sat, December 10, 2005 - 3:46 PM
and i can assume they will be fixed in that release?
oh what a merry christmas that will be.
:-)
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Re: Broken FOAF files on tribe.net
Mon, December 19, 2005 - 6:10 PM
sooo.. how's it looking? -
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Re: Broken FOAF files on tribe.net
Mon, December 19, 2005 - 11:28 PM
Hi Robin, just because I'm curious, what application do you have in mind for the Tribe FOAF's? Anything fun, cool, and exciting? :-)
Thanks, Steve. Who appreciates your tenacity and eagerness! -
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Re: Broken FOAF files on tribe.net
Tue, December 20, 2005 - 2:23 PM
i am the webmaster for a smaller community website of about 1000 people.
most my users have all got tribe.net accounts now which our site has probably done a good job promoting.
the main thing i am doing with FOAF now is using it to populate user's buddylists and profiles. at least with their interests.
recently i added galleries to the site and will use foaf to grab my users main gallery image off tribe as well to let my users have the ability to sync their avatars with their tribe.net
anyway i think all of this is really cool and i'm very grateful to tribe.net for being one of the pioneers of this new spec.
now if only we can get them all working..
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Re: Broken FOAF files on tribe.net
Tue, December 20, 2005 - 9:32 AMAs Brian says below, this is in and user FOAF xml should be properly scrubbed.
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Re: Broken FOAF files on tribe.net
Tue, December 20, 2005 - 7:14 AMLooks like Chris' fix is in and the &'s are being &'ed. Please verify at your earliest convenience and let us know of other problems. -
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Re: Broken FOAF files on tribe.net
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Re: Broken FOAF files on tribe.net
Wed, December 21, 2005 - 1:36 AM
It appears as tho now it is the "=" which is causing problems.
better because it seems to affect less.
but still bothersome.
can you escape the "=" as well please? -
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Re: Broken FOAF files on tribe.net
Wed, December 21, 2005 - 9:27 AMThe = is actually OK, this is a cascading error from an unescape prior ampersand. It's an artifact of the fact that one of our user entered fields wasn't being scrubbed. I'm not sure when this will go out, but it should be this week (i.e. before friday) Sorry for the inconvenience.
BTW: when do we get to see and/or hear the gory details on your FOAF-a-licious app?
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Re: Broken FOAF files on tribe.net
Thu, December 22, 2005 - 10:37 AMok, now we're really serious. you should be able to spider FOAF files on tribe and not encounter any encoding error cruft. -
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Re: Broken FOAF files on tribe.net
Sat, December 24, 2005 - 1:04 AM
nice. thanks guys!
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